Ordnance area at Siegelsbach Army Depot

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By gamma @ 2006-12-04 16:56:47
Home of the 525th Ordnance Company and the 556th MP Company. The Siegelsbach Army Depot is primarily concerned with providing security for its special ammunition and repair parts. The facility also supplies direct and general support maintenance as directed by brigade headquarters.
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@ 2006-12-04 17:05:04
Those are 'igloos' used to store explosives or weapons. It looks like a military weapons depot with a helicopter landing pad.
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@ 2006-12-04 17:11:34
The movie Buffalo Soldiers was filmed here.
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@ 2008-07-14 20:19:03
I worked there as an MP guarding those weapons from 1989-1991. There are about 15 bunkers that contained weapons, along with a mainanance bunker. The site was guarded by tower guards in each of the 4 corners, 1 central tower and 1 roving 3 man team in a humvee armed with everything rifles and an M-60 machine gun. Being a "tower rat" wasn't much fun, but looking back at it now it was a great life experience.
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@ 2008-07-14 20:20:24
I heard that site closed down around 1992, does anyone have any knowledge about what it is being used for today?
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@ 2009-02-02 01:29:20
I was a tower rat there from 1980-1981, yeah it sucked.
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@ 2009-07-25 22:00:46
I was a tower rat in in 1985. Anyone else there during that time? Sgt. Little? Pvt Reyes? Sgt. Pate? Please comment.
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@ 2009-08-27 11:59:38
I was with the 556th from 1977-1979 2.5 years. For a suckey place I had a good time. John Lanier
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@ 2009-10-26 20:45:24
I was a cook there, 535th, from 75-77. Loved every minute of living there.

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@ 2009-10-26 20:45:58
That should read 535th.
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@ 2009-11-07 15:12:38
I was in the Technical platoon 10-63 to 02-65. At that time we were part of the 93rd Ord Battalion.
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@ 2010-02-13 20:56:16
I was there from 1986-1989 oh the memories of the bach
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@ 2010-03-06 15:53:11
I was there from 1955-57. 9th ORD Battalion. There were no towers/dogs.
We walked guard.
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@ 2010-06-08 05:45:24
Both the conventional and classified sites were closed. Only the German area on the backside is still in use. I closed the conventional side down in 1992, the classified side was closed just before that. I visited the site last year and the vegetation is so overgrown that you can barely see the gates any longer.
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@ 2010-06-08 05:48:40
The location is the town of Siegelsbach. Bad Rappenau is down the road a ways.
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@ 2010-07-25 19:22:18
stationed tech supply 76-79, anyone remember roger the crazy cook and who helped run the chapel/nco club!! woods, 76-79
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@ 2010-08-06 17:46:34
83-84 , YES IT WAS BORING , ONE-HALF YEARS OF INSPECTIONS. WENT IN NORMAL AND CAME OUT CRAZY. THE CLUB (POINT) AND OLD MILL WAS A BREAK FROM IT ALL. WHEN THEY INSTALLED THE SPEAKERS ON THE LINE, I MADE IT INTO A LOUD STEREO AT NIGHT WHEN SOG's WERE ASLEEP.
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@ 2010-09-18 11:28:51
I was there from May 1955 until I shipped back to the States in July 1957. At first we did not have a full PX or Service Club. Later in 1956 they were added. While I was there we had no dogs or towers. We walked 4 hours on and 4 hours off in a 24 hour of duty with our M1's. Then off for 1 day another day for training. We took a Army bus into Heilbronn for Pass.
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@ 2010-10-11 10:24:00
I was there from 1973 to 1977 in storage platoon. Many great times at the BACH. A bunch of great guys stationed there. Remember Rose's!!
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@ 2010-11-11 13:06:31
I did my time there 76-79 as a "Tower Rat" at the Bach. Good times at the Old Mill and Moby Dicks . I remember when we had teat of forces, everbody ran for the hole in the fences. Bob Wing Glasgow, Kentucky
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@ 2010-11-11 23:35:58
I was stationed there from 1989-1992.....the job sucked (walking the towerline) but met some lifelong friends...fun times
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@ 2010-11-17 14:41:25
Stationed there late 9-mid 81. Some good times. Like to hear from Chaplain Carter Kernes.
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@ 2011-01-31 23:11:48
I was with the 23rd Ord Co. in Heilbronn, Germany 1965-1967. We had weapons stored in the classified section and supplied personnel as guards out their TDY. We also supplied all the guards for the conventional side as well. I was NCOIC of the security office for the 23rd. I remember those load out alerts, with the generals running around every where. Those were the days my friends.
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@ 2011-03-22 09:32:29
I was there in 1970, 556th MP. remember the gate for the German side across the street for ours.. maps today do not show.. am I wrong?
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@ 2011-04-25 13:29:18
I was a Dog handler 75-78 Rex and Duke
duke had a habit of biting his handlers so I got the job
Check out towerrat.com for more info and old friends
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@ 2011-05-03 12:31:53
'83-'85 Tower Rat, Gate 3, SAT Patrol, CA Yeah, the duty sucked. We were so short handed until we got an entire platoon sent to us. Oh, the Old Mill, Mom & Pops, and so many other hangouts....Good Times! Remember pulling Fog Guard? Boy that was a treat! I got 3 article 15's my first 3 months at the 'Bach'. LOL! Must have hung with the wrong crowd but then again.....I think we were all the wrong crowd! I have lost touch with most everyone. Towerrat.com isn't a whole lot of help. If anyone want to reach 'Rhino' you can at crhino2@msn.com.
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@ 2011-05-08 17:30:29
I was there from 86-89 in the 556th MP Co. Tower Rats! Some of the most boring...best times of my life. SP4 David Beckham
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@ 2011-07-17 21:56:55
I was stationed at the 525th from 88-91. Like everyone else I thought "what did I do to get stuck here." I can say living there, and Germany, were some fun times. No, it was GREAT. When I left I can say I missed the friends I made there. We were really tight.
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@ 2011-08-19 19:33:32
I was stationed there from 85-88 with the 525th Ord Co. Yes that is a helicopter landing pad, I landed (popped Smoke) for them ,most of the time.I was the NCOIC at operations on the hill. The MP's were great and had a pretty good tour there. Miss the good german beer and food. Let me know if you remember anyone there. ncoleman@twcny.rr.com

1sgt Retired
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@ 2011-09-24 20:22:00
I was there from Feb. 1990 to Mar. 1992, working the hill sucked, lots of problems with the nco's but I did get a chance to travel and see different places on our 3 day weekends, did my job and am proud of the people that I got to work with, it was an experience, lost contact with just about everyone when I psc back to the states, but I remember the time and experience.
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@ 2011-09-25 13:10:04
I was there from 1979 to 1991. Yes the dates are right. Worked every MP position on the site. Some of you may know who I am. I was there so long I could walk the entire site blind folded. I miss the food and the Stuttgarter hofbräu.
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@ 2011-10-31 14:47:15
I was there in 1965-66 working in commo. The post was a lot smaller than what I see on Google now. Lots of both fond and bad memories there. We worked the communications station that was attached to the main guardhouse just inside the fence. There was a secure commcenter there along with a switchboard. Mostly I worked in the radio teletype stations mounted on a deuce and a half next to commo office, which was up and running 24/7 during the cold war days.
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@ 2011-12-30 10:40:10
I was at the bach from 90 to 92. I was an NCO when I got there. Worked with a lot of good troops. I learned that if u don't have it together starting out, this assigned could mess u up. Saw quite a few young kids lose it. Loved Germany and the couple I rented my place from. They were good to my son and I.
We got to leave Germany early when the shutdown began.
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@ 2012-01-11 15:51:52
I was there '69-'72... worked in the motor pool and had a great time... hated army life but loved Germany!
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@ 2012-01-22 09:14:46
I´ve seen the Depot in summer 2011 . The area in the middle ist now used by a compony to make electricity with solar cells. The buildiungs are open and the area auround the landing field is full of collectors.
I am German an live about 5 miles away from the depot.
The German Army used the Depot till 2010.
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@ 2012-01-22 09:17:29
P. S. I men the part of the area that the Bundeswehr used at the time the US Army used it.
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@ 2012-02-23 12:38:42
Rich Bennett, I served proudly there from 82-84. Met a good group of enlisted, not so much officers. I was there during the Baker witch hunt. Miss people like June McGuire, Mark Drury, Hassan the assassin and the bunch of 2nd platoon. benn1959@hotmail.com.
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@ 2012-03-12 08:34:50
I was station there from 82 to 84 in the motor pool, had a hell of a great time!!! ye! there was good & bad, but it's what you make of it, used to see people loose there rank overnight at that place including me, i'e like too go to a reuion to see old friends one day, ye i can remeber plowing the whole post with a little john deer tractor in the winter time before people came to work, alright evryone have a good day!!
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@ 2012-06-06 07:41:36
525th Ord '68-'69

I just returned from a vacation in Germany. When the wife and I stopped at a store in Siegelsbach for directions a Forest Miester was there and offered to give me a tour of the old post (he had a key to the gate). Luck was with me that day, I would not have got in without him. I stood in my old barracks room that had the door blown off during a recent German Army building entry drill. (best thing that ever happened to it since the darn lock always gave me trouble anyway!). The whole post was overgrown with trees and all seemed to be returning to nature. Not a painted rock to be seen anywhere. The motor pool where I got most of the gas for my old VW was still intact. The bunkers on the hill now had solar panels on top instead of troops swinging sling blades.

Until now this place was a fading memory and something that my wife would endure my stories of. She now appreciates the memories. To see the place in this condition was like attending a funeral of an old friend. But I was glad to be there and put that memory to rest.

If you want pictures email me. roypastorek@gmail.com
Retired MSG
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@ 2012-06-12 20:24:30
I was there from 89 to 91. 556 HQ Commo section. Had some great times. Used to travel to Stuttgart on the weekends and party at Club Cinderallas.
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@ 2012-08-28 21:10:26
The Bach 1986-87...What an experience!!! I met people their that I will remember for a lifetime...4th Platoon rocked. Sgt Lavalley, Sgt Rockford, Sgt Bush, Sgt Wiley, Sgt Johnson, SFC Harris, Sgt Umo, Sgt Connelley, SSgt Lee, LT McCarty, Brining, Brown, Rose, Clark, Redmon, Lira, Bruno, Franklin,Williams, Paludat, Clutter, Chase, Smitty, Ashley, Linville, Noblin, Montgomery, PeeWee, Galin...You guys were the best...Loved the to party at Club Galaxy in Stuttgart and the Scala in Sinsheim. Most memorable times were spent working at the front gate.
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@ 2012-11-16 19:47:34
I WAS LUCKY TO BE STATIONED AT THE BACH IN 1970 AS A PUPPY PUSHER. I REALLY ENOYED MY
TOUR OF DUTY. MOSTLY DUE TO THE FATASTIC PEOPLE I SERVED WITH. SWEENEY FROM BAYONE N.J.
GENO FROM PA. . YOU GUYS TOOK ME INTO YOUR HOMES AFTER WE WERE DISCHARGED AT FT. DIX
AND I WISH I COULD THANK YOU IN PERSON FOR HELPING ME THROUGH A ROUGH TIME DEALNG
WITH MY FATHERS PASSING WHILE WE WERE IN GERMANY. I HOPE IF YOU GUYS READ THIS YOU
WILL CONTACT ME , AS WELL AS RETIRED MSG WITH THE PICTURES. REPLY TO RANDYMIKE@SOCKET.NET

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@ 2012-11-17 20:28:53
i was stationed there in 74-75 with the 525th remember my going away party across the street at the German army depot out side of our gate, got so plastered they found me some where on there post hugging a fire hydrant. i remember meeting one of our guard dogs, he had very few teeth but boy could he bark
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@ 2012-11-18 17:33:43
oh man, seeing these pics brings back so many memories! i was an mp from dec 75 to june 78. tower duty sucked but did we party when we got off duty. i remember duke and how his handlers had a hard time with him. but if i remember right, he had an ear problem and would go wild when anyone would say 'duke, you're an asshole!' one of his last handlers was mike from california. always wanted to go back to that area and scope it out. and yeah i remember rosie's. good times all around. anyone remember the Roman Ruins outside of town?
Tim Miller nicknamed T Crispy.
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@ 2013-01-09 14:58:21
I was stationed at Sieglesbach (1979-1982) What was the name of the guest house just outside- in town? I was in the 525 Communication. Does anyone have pictures???
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@ 2013-01-25 20:32:52
I was with the 556th in 69 & 70. Remember captain McCluskey, I became his driver in 70.tower rat before that. tower duty was awful. jOE G
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@ 2013-01-28 06:36:35
The name of the Gasthaus was called "Andi's" I was stationed there from 1977-1981. Would love to hear from anyone from the 556th or even the 525 companies. Anyone remember Sgt Lopes or Sgt Bryant, who burried the jeeps during inspections. Have some very fond memories from there, especially the hill and our jeeps. Here are some names that I can remember Mark Raimo, Chuck Harmon, Joe Basham, Brian Cuttehey, Kibby, the cook "Gun Slinger" Leaf Ericson aka Doc, Jose Castallonos aka Chilli Choker, Reyes, Doof, would love to hear from anyone during that tenure. deangleo34@hotmail.com
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@ 2013-01-29 06:26:44
Sorry, the e-mail is misspelled. The correct e-mail is deangelo34@hotmail.com
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@ 2013-02-03 15:26:29
I was working in those bunkers from 86 - 89 untill I had a few run in's with the major... Lets just say I was forced to transfer stateside.. Damn I miss Germany still
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@ 2013-03-18 09:23:43
I was at the 'Bach from Nov 86-Nov 88, 556th Military Police Company(Jesse James Sheriff). The worst duty that can be bestowed upon a person in the military. If I didn't have Softball, I would have went crazy!!! Like many of you have said, met a lot of great people. I just wanted to throw a few names out to see if you remember them or have any info: SFC Aubrey Myers, SSG John Michel, SPC Anthony Milton, SPC Robert Redd, SPC John Tack, SGT Eric Potts, SPC Michaels, SPC "Ozzy" Osborne, SPC Chambers.
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@ 2013-03-29 20:18:27
I was there from Feb 82 to Jun 83 in Second Platoon. I worked the last six months with Supply (Voluntarly before a large drug bust occurred so they had me go back to the Hill to protect my reputation [I am a Christian and everyone knew I did not do drugs so it was senseless but I appreciate the jesture]). I wound up at Siegelsbach when at our Brigade Headquarters some guy in line when they said: Siegelsbach or Fishbach; what the 'H***' is a Fishbach! Glad I was not standing next to him. The SFC said you Five (which included me) go to Siegelsbach and YOU TWO go to FISHBACH (man Siegelsbach was bad but Fishbach was far worse and on a Y in the road not even a town near by! So glad I stayed in the Middle! Anyways I was confronted at Frankfort: Ah you are an MP! Did you do any White Cap Duty? I Said NO I was in 1st CAV and spent most of my time Deployed (Ft. Chaffee twice & Ft. Irwin before it was ever called NTC) He asked did you work the Road? I Said YES! Oooops! Well he sent me to our Brigade HQ where he knew I would get some very choice duty! Hence I wound up at Siegelsbach!
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@ 2013-07-14 21:12:17
I was an MP at the Bach from mid 1984 until the end of 1985; part of the "pack"platoon. It was a good drunk...Saw some guys who left there messed up. I came out ok, I think, LOL. Max
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@ 2013-07-16 04:16:33
I was the NCOIC of the Munitions Storage Area from August 1989 until September 1992 and was part of 525th Ord. It was a great place and I have very fond memories of the place and surrounding areas as well. Unfortunately I had the honor of overseeing the movement of all weapons out of the place and closed it down, I was the last US soldier there and I locked the gates after we moved everything out I then turned the keys over to the German Government.

CW4 (R) Ron Henry
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@ 2013-07-17 22:14:23
My Andrew Rios I was station there in Heibronn, badenerhof kaserne ,and pull guard duty at sigelsbach for about six months and back badenerhof kaserne ,took up to become unit police. best job I every had. my time in Germany. I joint nation guard in 1976 stay there in year 2000 .Did 24 year. riosandrew598@yahoo.com
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@ 2013-08-08 18:34:54
I was there '84 to '85. Anybody remember Ickes, Dupew, Miles, Burns, Beagle?, Webber...Sgt. Cummins, Sgt Strassburg, Denver Davis, Chavez, Raszinski...Yourakowski...Johnson. I don't miss the place, but...Sgt Bates I'll sure never forget. I honestly wouldn't know what to say to anybody if I ever saw you guys again. 30 years goes by fast. Hope everbody's doing ok...maybe one day I'll see you all again, Bob.
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@ 2013-10-23 18:46:38
Hey I was there in 1972-1974 como TTY area under the pool table had some great memories from that place
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@ 2013-10-26 05:08:26
hey in 1972-1974 there was a SP 4 Moses anyone know if he is still aroound
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@ 2013-10-26 10:00:27
The beginning of the end for Siegelsbach came in the spring of 1968 when a new weapons assembly building was approved by NATO. When the plans arrived on post, it was obvious that to build it as planned would require shutting down explosive storage in a large number of the igloos due to explosive safety problems with the building. It was too late to change plans that had been approved by all the NATO countries but a number of munitions were already scheduled for transfer to temporary storage in another installation. I don't know if the plans were ever implemented because I transferred out that summer but know that major disruption in construction and operations occurred.
The installation was a "Closed Post" operated by the 525th Ordnance Company, a part of the Advanced Weapons Support Command. It was located on an old Wehrmach installation and consisted of two parts. One was new with NATO Earth Covered Magazines and tightly secured with high fences, dogs and tall wood frame guard towers. The guards carried live ammunition and often on those pitch black German nights when jumpy guards would be disturbed, probably by deer, shots would be fires. Often to reduce boredom the guards would remove the propellant from their cartridges and replace it with straw. There were numerous burn marks on the floors of the guard towers from the flash of the propellant when it was ignited. All of us were amazed that none of the old wooden towers ever caught fire because of it. Each year as the guards had to requalify, we would have numerous misfires due to the lack of propellant in the cartridges.
The unused part of the depot was an old Wehrmach ammunition storage area, reputed to have been used to store the NAZI rocket warheads. It was heavily wooded with of the old storage bunkers and roads imbedded in the ground about five feet. It was mostly unused in the late 1960's. A few old magazines were used by the 23rd Ordnance Company to store ammunition (mostly Honest John Rocket motors) for USAREUR/Seventh Army units.
There were old concrete pads out behind the depot used to store inert and mostly obsolete munitions parts. Early in the 1960's they became the subject of a major Stars and Stripes story about a "Nuclear Warhead" sent to the Heilbronn power plant to be burned. Actually it was a NON NUCLEAR WARHEAD, NON EXPLOSIVE SKIN SECTION that had, inadvertantly been left inside its box when the box had been sent in to be burned. Several others were discovered in those outdoor pads and transported to another installation for eventual distruction. One of them eventually became the steeple for the chapel at US Army Fischbach Army Depot.
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@ 2014-02-06 14:59:25
I was a tower guard from 69-72. Wow, what a job. Sure got cold in the winters. Went to Amsterdam and Frankfort a lot. Loved that part of Europe and thankful I got to go see it. :-) ~~~PEACE & LOVE~~~
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@ 2014-04-10 01:03:39
Was posted there 83 - 85 . 525 ord. motor pool. Was assigned to 556 but attached to 525.. Had to go to field with both units, that really sucked.. The party's at the Old Mill was the best...
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@ 2014-04-27 10:33:01
I served there from 1970-72 as a truck driver and ammunition storage specialist. What a job? I was on the road almost daily, plenty of work moving, maintaining and storing the damn toys. I was my first time outside the USA, and really enjoyed the tour. Not much at camp, but outside, another world.
Remember SFC. Campos (my platton sergeant) My partners SGT. Swenney, SGT. Greer. Sgt. Gutshall, Golidy, Finch. Tate, and many others. I was the only spanish speaker in the unit, so when I met this guy who learned german at high school, we start going together everywhere, so we met alot of italian, german, spaniard, and people from many countries in Europe. We even dance with german at private parties and had a great time. We liked to go Bad Rappenau and Wimpfen. Eiscafe Cortina, my closed friends at Rappenau. What a time...
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@ 2014-05-25 11:44:29
I was there in 74, tower rat, crappy duty but great time off base. Travelled all over Germany, France, went to LeMans for the race.
I remember the German base across the street, can't believe the hole in the fence was still there in '79.
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@ 2014-06-07 22:09:42
Siegelsbach was my first PCS station as a Lieutenant. I was assigned to the Storage and Issue Platoons from 1983 to 1985. I worked with great guys like Chief Al Kenyon, LT Bob Best, LT Gerhardt Schneider, Lt Kim, SFC Dock, SSG Morales, SPC Shindler, SPC Herring, SFC Brown, SFC Tiller, SPC Toussaint, SPC Copani, SPC Malarett., SPC Koons, LT Mark Jolly, LT Sylvia Enz, SGT Woods, SSG Hugg, SGT Wilmoth and many others. Like everything else I had good and bad moments there.

The convoy training and field training were good experiences. Thankfully I never got lost. I remember one night in the woods the Captain I was with apparently got disoriented. I told him where we had to go to get back to the platoon camp site and he didn’t heed me. We rode around for a while and he became frustrated. I told him again where we had to go. His response was “why didn’t you tell me”. I got the impression he wanted to save face. I also remember in training we provided better perimeter defense than the field Artillery guys. Here’s another one…Take those rocks out of the tires! Dennis Vega reedbro@comcast.net
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@ 2014-07-16 21:51:51
i was there 86/87. Good times & remember sfc coleman, bruno & the(crusty butts)aka cooks, bad wimpfen, the roman ruins, the old mill, pulling guard duty, the MP's & the military working dogs/i have a german shephard now because of that. Great people, lots of muster formations which i could have done without. Outstanding soldiers to work with. It's sad to see it like this now in a way. It was probably one of the best & worst posts to get assigned to.
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@ 2014-07-28 17:57:21
HQ Communications 1986-89 : me, St. Ellen , wright, Damo, Talley, Sgt Morris, Ssg Rock, Verner, Smitty, TRoll ,pondo and Crazi Ej- sgt Martin - miss you guys Fleming
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@ 2014-07-31 11:03:07
OK, All my old BACH BUDDIES. Here is some info and photos of the 'Bach' as it is today. My German friend who lives near there and works as a grounds keeper, sent me this info and photo package. Most of it is in German and some has a translation tab. But I think the photos are great and will be interesting for both Ordnance and MP folks. The link is - http://www.vergesseneprojekte.de/muna-siegelsbach.html Enjoy (from roypastorek@gmail.com 525th 1967 - 1969)
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@ 2014-08-25 12:09:39
I was in both the 556th and 525th from 1969 - 1971...boring but yet a memorable time in my life. I noticed a blog from Joe G, which whom I shared some great times. To all of those I shared great times with!! Bill McC.